tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5426050656197929065.post3587869069025676380..comments2024-03-19T18:36:41.875-04:00Comments on Yes, That Too: Pronoun Information as a Design ProblemAlyssahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06413844178426365789noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5426050656197929065.post-85990877486054038722021-08-30T22:15:07.763-04:002021-08-30T22:15:07.763-04:00Pronouns... how simple is English language :) In m...Pronouns... how simple is English language :) In many languages gender is included in peoples family names - e.g. Navratilova - obviously female, . Her stepfather's name was Navratil.<br />In Arabic it affects even things people own, e.g. a car - alsayaarat (phonetic), car owned by a man = sayaaratuh, car owned by a woman = sayaaratuha.Lechhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12621707127970771094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5426050656197929065.post-31431443147769827682020-05-22T02:46:28.431-04:002020-05-22T02:46:28.431-04:00This isn't really a well-thought out suggestio...This isn't really a well-thought out suggestion or anything, and it might sound a bit unnatural - but what about encouraging people to just use names, not pronouns, if and until a person clarifies them? (Either by bringing it up themselves in conversation, or in their bio or whatever). This also works for people who prefer that in the first place, but find it difficult to explain, especially on a pin or sticker. Just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5426050656197929065.post-89454226801507907292019-10-14T12:07:37.037-04:002019-10-14T12:07:37.037-04:00Additional disadvantage of introductions and bios:...Additional disadvantage of introductions and bios: They don't really handle the case where a person's pronouns change after the introduction/after the bio is written (e.g. because they came out later). (More of an issue for longer-term things like jobs and schools rather than things that just last a few days.)<br /><br />Additional disadvantages to defaulting to gender-neutral pronouns: At least in English, gender-neutral pronouns (both "they" and neopronouns) are kind of awkward (though that becomes less of a disadvantage if people get used to them, and it's not avoidable when someone's actual preferred pronouns are gender-neutral). Like introductions, this also has a potential disadvantage that people might apply it only when they think a person is trans, potentially drawing attention to that fact.<br /><br /><br />Current solutions also include defaulting to whatever you perceive a person's gender to be unless you have information otherwise (and being open to correction).<br /><br />This has the very obvious disadvantage that it sometimes misgenders people (especially non-passing or non-binary trans people), and it doesn't really work in text-based communication (e.g. internet forums/chat rooms/comment sections). It also means trans people who aren't comfortable enough to speak up will get misgendered (but such people might also not be comfortable giving their pronouns when asked) and trans people doing something cis people aren't might give them unwanted attention (though so might saying a pronoun different than people expect when everyone else is a male-looking person saying "he" or a female-looking person saying "she"), and the fact that it places all the burden on trans people is somewhat unfair.<br /><br />Advantages include that, when people are dealing with cis people, people can just do what they're already doing (though how much of an advantage this is depends on how many people there are cis) (this also might mean it's more likely to be adopted by people who are on the fence about trans rights), doesn't force questioning or closeted trans people to give incorrect pronouns, and some passing trans people prefer people to just correctly see their gender without having to give pronouns. Also, if there are trans people who don't mind being misgendered that much but get dysphoric from having attention drawn to their gender (like me before I realized I was trans), this also has the advantage that it doesn't force anyone to have attention drawn to their gender.<br />chridd [she]https://chridd.nfshost.com/about-menoreply@blogger.com