tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5426050656197929065.post8859577784163238068..comments2024-03-19T18:36:41.875-04:00Comments on Yes, That Too: Alyssa Reads Uniquely Human: Part 1Alyssahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06413844178426365789noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5426050656197929065.post-75289922872098236712016-06-08T10:21:59.111-04:002016-06-08T10:21:59.111-04:00It's possible, I guess I'll find out!
I do...It's possible, I guess I'll find out!<br />I don't trust it though.Alyssahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06413844178426365789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5426050656197929065.post-77219564495601769842016-06-07T16:39:51.162-04:002016-06-07T16:39:51.162-04:00Could it be the Real Experts chapter is the second...Could it be the Real Experts chapter is the second shortest because the Real Experts use language in a way that is information-dense?Lorrainehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13567383019731167967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5426050656197929065.post-81671577344567301022016-06-06T17:51:06.103-04:002016-06-06T17:51:06.103-04:00Me again, I come bearing citations. That's ec...Me again, I come bearing citations. That's echolalic from Greeks Bearing Gifts. I come bearing links to abstracts also. I acquired these via Google Scholar "Prizant echolalia" and there's a few other articles in there I haven't read.<br /><br />Prizant, Barry M., and Judith F. Duchan. "The functions of immediate echolalia in autistic children." Journal of Speech and Hearing Disorders 46.3 (1981): 241-249.<br /><br />http://jshd.pubs.asha.org/article.aspx?articleid=1774931&resultclick=1<br /><br />Prizant, Barry M., and Patrick J. Rydell. "Analysis of functions of delayed echolalia in autistic children." Journal of Speech, Language, and Hearing Research 27.2 (1984): 183-192.<br /><br />http://jslhr.pubs.asha.org/article.aspx?articleid=1778014&resultclick=1Nightengalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01750985645821551827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5426050656197929065.post-25490183190965821272016-06-04T20:45:46.526-04:002016-06-04T20:45:46.526-04:00Yes, I get what you meant since I had the same rea...Yes, I get what you meant since I had the same reaction - read your own research!Nightengalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01750985645821551827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5426050656197929065.post-76171468476668045642016-06-03T20:44:17.746-04:002016-06-03T20:44:17.746-04:00(The OH COME ON is directed at Dr. Prizant, not at...(The OH COME ON is directed at Dr. Prizant, not at you, Nightengale, to be clear just in case. I agree with the things you said.)Alyssahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06413844178426365789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5426050656197929065.post-28755225672208899132016-06-03T20:42:41.949-04:002016-06-03T20:42:41.949-04:00I'm reading at a rate so that I can do 1 chapt...I'm reading at a rate so that I can do 1 chapter post per weekday, so I *just* got to the bit where he did research on the functions of echolalia today!<br /><br />And seeing that (plus your comment on SCERTS) gives me two reactions: 1) ok that's a citation I want and 2) OH COME ON FOLLOW YOUR OWN LOGIC TO ITS CONCLUSIONS.Alyssahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06413844178426365789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5426050656197929065.post-24302878517584219122016-06-03T18:40:10.102-04:002016-06-03T18:40:10.102-04:00I haven't read this book although I probably s...I haven't read this book although I probably should. Or maybe I will just read your posts.<br /><br />I HAVE read the SCERTS model 2 volume handbook. I rate SCERTS as Not Terrible on the Nightengale Autism Resource Rating Scale, which is actually a really good rating from me. I just made up that scale but I kind of like it, the NARRS.<br /><br />A piece of information you may not have is that Barry Prizant did his research (not sure if masters or doctoral, possibly both) over 30 years ago on the functions of echolalia. Not surprisingly, he found it has functions. I read his thesis/dissertation/whatever it was about a month after I wrote my own list of proposed functions which occurred after a temper tantrum when someone at work called echolalia "nonfunctional" again:<br /><br />http://nightengalesknd.livejournal.com/101853.html<br />(Darmok and the developmental pediatrician at Tenagra)<br /><br />The SCERTS model rates as Not Terrible in my mind because it makes some effort to recognize autistic perspectives and autistic learning styles. It recognizes sensory needs and needs for breaks and multiple communication methods. It is pro AAC. I don't know any other named therapy/model that does those things.<br /><br />But it privileges play with non-disabled children over solo play or play with other autistics. It privileges certain kinds of play over others. It privileges verbal speech over other forms of communication And possibly most infuriating of all, it privileges spontaneous language over echolalia, and this from the guy who literally wrote the paper on the functions of echolalia. <br /><br /><br />I wrote about it more here<br />http://nightengalesknd.livejournal.com/102492.html (Fun is fun so long as it's fun)<br /><br />Anyway. I look forward to reading the rest of your reading.<br />Nightengalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01750985645821551827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5426050656197929065.post-77001132873289085152016-06-02T12:57:54.397-04:002016-06-02T12:57:54.397-04:00Well that's unfortunate.Well that's unfortunate.Alyssahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06413844178426365789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5426050656197929065.post-28237994838997614172016-06-02T12:45:53.910-04:002016-06-02T12:45:53.910-04:00"I know Michelle Dawson is good, but I'm ..."I know Michelle Dawson is good, but I'm not so familiar with Geraldine Dawson. Are they related?” <br /><br />I hope not! Geraldine Dawson is an autistic-hating clinical psychologist and eugenics researcher who used to be Chief Science Officer for Autism $peaks. An endorsement by her is a bad sign indeed.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14816546987851387298noreply@blogger.com